Haplogroup R1b Group 12 Results
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3
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3
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6		5
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5		Y

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The Great Mystery

by Nancy Ellis

 

I have done a lot of genealogical work on the Ellis family and have been fortunate to have access to an old Ellis family Bible. From the Bible we can trace our lineage from John Ellis (1772-1844), the original owner of the Bible, who lived in Hawkins County, Tennessee. He married Nancy Hail, and they had seven children, the births carefully recorded in the family Bible. Their second child and first son, William Neal(e) Ellis (1808-1852), was my great-great-grandfather. William Neal married Mary Morrison, and their third child and second son, James Knox Polk Ellis (1840-1906), was my great-grandfather. His marriage to Margaret Sample produced seven children, including my grandfather, George Finis Ellis (1866-1932). James K.P. brought his family to Missouri in the late 1860s as they searched for a new life after the tragedies of the Civil War. I ran into a roadblock when trying to find the parents of John Ellis, 1772. In order to gather more information a cousin submitted her brother's DNA to FamilyTreeDNA. We were absolutely shocked when we got the results. Our DNA doesn't match the Ellises, we match the Neelys. In order to rule out a lab error I submitted my brother's DNA, and he also matches the Neelys. After getting over the surprise, I put together the information below about this great mystery. I believe that I have excellent source records from John Ellis to the current generation. But, I wondered if anyone who is a descendent of John Ellis 1772 has had their DNA done. It would be interesting to find out if someone in another male line from John Ellis also matches the Neely DNA or if they are in your database. I am guessing that our Neely male grandfather was John Ellis's father. During that period, families often named their oldest son after the paternal grandfather. John Ellis named his first son Willian Neal(e) Ellis.

John Ellis kept meticulous family records in his Bible. However, he did not provide any information about his father and he provided very limited information regarding his mother. He lists the deaths of his father-in-law, Abednego Hail (July 12, 1816), his mother-in-law, Joannah Smith Hail (September 20, 1820), three of his wife's sisters, and her brother. The death of his mother, Jane Rhodes, is listed as well as the death of a half-brother, William Rhodes. There is an entry for the marriage of Samuel Rhodes, about 2 years after the death of Jane, leading one to assume that Jane Ellis was later married to Samuel Rhodes. But - there is nothing about his father and nothing to identify the maiden name of his mother!!! There is information on the internet which traces the John Ellis family back through previous generations. The source of that information is often quoted to be Mary Kate Fagan Cook's DAR papers. After a two year search I located those DAR papers and found that they were rejected by DAR. They contained information which contradicted information in the John Ellis Bible. (I can provide anyone who is interested with an analysis of Mary Kate Fagan Cook's DAR papers.) Several years ago my cousin, Lou Yeargain, submitted her brother's DNA to FamilyTreeDNA in order to obtain additional information about our heritage. The results came back - Ben's DNA does not match the Ellises; it matches the Neelys. In order to verify those results I submitted my brother's DNA and got the same results. Our "Ellis DNA" matches that of the Neely family. It is interesting to note that John and Nancy Ellis named their first son William Neal Ellis. It was customary to name the first son after his paternal grandfather. Is this a clue to the father of John Ellis?

 

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